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German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a I hope it will aid those seeking information on their black powder cap & ball reproduction revolvers. Thanks for finding it for me. 0000120205 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000067226 00000 n 0000015377 00000 n 0000001540 00000 n 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low 0000012277 00000 n 36 Made in Italy". 0000080518 00000 n Thanks, Claude. )9/q3YgYHH}c. Does anyone know where I could find the codes? List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . 3. 0000014575 00000 n Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. weapon. 0000104236 00000 n The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. I never saw it extended to 2030! . Pietta. +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? I have a Piettas revolver that is marked with the letters. 0000051690 00000 n The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000099472 00000 n 0000005942 00000 n Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. Proof or E.C. The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. 0000057983 00000 n EMF Company, Inc. 1900 East Warner Ave. 0000080589 00000 n 0000008059 00000 n In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX Pietta. There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . Copyright 2019 sassnet.com 0000001247 00000 n :hmm: Thanks for the help. 1967 = XXIII. PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. TABLE OF RELATION BETWEEN LETTERS AND YEARS FOR THE ITALIAN PROOFTEST HOUSE The second one PN under a star means BLACK POWDER PROOFING (P stands for POLVERE - POWDER, N stands for NERA - BLACK) Starting price $499. 0000011853 00000 n Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. View Models. All copies and uses are prohibited. 0000039439 00000 n Barrel Length: 7 " Octagonal Sights / Optics: The front sight is a brass bead fixed to the barrel . The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Joined Mar 2, 2020 0000109588 00000 n Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. 0000014945 00000 n Marlin-Savage-Winchester In addition to 0000039738 00000 n Thanks, Spence. 1945 = 1. 0000143308 00000 n country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and Ste., 1-D, Santa Ana, CA 92705 | 800-430-1310 | 949-261-6611 | Fax 949-756-0133. They are built with state-of-the-art materials, so you can enjoy safe and reliable performance with modern ammunition. It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. Join Date: March 19, 2008. 35 0 obj <> endobj Location: High & Dry . 0000009592 00000 n Gun Barrel Proof Marks. 0 0000028135 00000 n The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". individual armorers and inspectors used their own unique stamps in some Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. 0000036933 00000 n 0000001338 00000 n Ridgecrest, PRoC (Peoples Republic of California). jh-@^z^gq}$g=@(M B{)C[ E.M.F. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk . "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". Model: Reproduction LeMat Army Revolver. 0000003080 00000 n The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! 0000001537 00000 n The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. 0000006802 00000 n 0000003864 00000 n DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . 0000012553 00000 n The 0000008370 00000 n <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> I relative gave me a .36 Colt-type percussion revolver. Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. 0000105711 00000 n 0000109981 00000 n (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T 5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! Thanks for posting those codesI use them quite often to make sure the correct parts are ordered. H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` 0000011101 00000 n Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. By ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. 0000001989 00000 n INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 1848 Dragoon Revolvers. Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. Board Of Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help News Consign Price Results. To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account, Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training, Immediate shipping on a all products listed, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource The cylinder is marked with the Gardone and black powder proof marks and displays a reproduction of the 1843 Navel battle scene typically found on Colt C1860 Army revolvers. My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. xref I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. 0000004035 00000 n Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . CD - 2009. 1946 = 2. The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. Rifles & Musket Information. 0000099401 00000 n Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. 1968 = XXIV. Feedback. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . Thanks for your help. After years of looking at and trying It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. 0000010481 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. Post request for quotation and get multiple offers from manufacturers. This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. 0000096658 00000 n Make: Pietta. 0000080946 00000 n 0000115678 00000 n Testing the gun Proof Marks or Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. 0000071997 00000 n Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. Caliber is .45 and barrel is smoothbore. View Models. All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 Join Date: August 15, 2012. Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms, This website may not The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as 136 43 HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] 1810 - 1853. The DGG is the mark of Armi San Paoli, now Euroarms. This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. C-96 (Broomhandle) Marlin Remington Ruger (& Factory Letters) Winchester U.S. Military Markings Gun Marks House Brands U.S. ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. interlaced, and surmounted by a crown. that we have found on this subject. 0000003744 00000 n 1947 = 3. 0000009920 00000 n This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. 0000106738 00000 n 0000009588 00000 n 0000002445 00000 n 0000012820 00000 n The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) 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Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. F.A.P. Not common but very neat. 0000001623 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 1946 = 2. 0 0000013906 00000 n You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. THINGS THAT GO BANG! It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. 0000004871 00000 n xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 0000064924 00000 n <<619EF975DD20A74ABA8163A7762AED27>]>> 1945 = 1. I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. 0000004839 00000 n 0000003452 00000 n Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every 0000003020 00000 n It has on with a star above it and a shield with a star above it. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . I'm going to print out this table and keep it handy for future reference. 0000016830 00000 n As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 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Four of Italy's most highly respected gunmakers: F.A.I.R., Sabatti, Pedersoli, and FT Italia bring the latest in firearm design, technology and materials to the United States while continuing to follow the centuries-old gun manufacturing traditions of Italy. conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. 0000002293 00000 n It has a Naval scene roll marked on the cylinder. Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. SKU: FRS18511. A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. %PDF-1.6 % 0000051711 00000 n By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. 0000002251 00000 n 0000088591 00000 n for your continued support, encouragement and admonishment. EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. 0000052647 00000 n ITALIAN PROOF MARKS CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1951 since 1951 since 1951 Brescia Gardone Gardone & Brescia provisional proof for all guns provisional proof for all guns definitive proof for guns with smokeless powder finish proof for firearms ready for sale 1st black powder proof since 1951 since 1951 35 45 0000006823 00000 n 0000102139 00000 n Dashing Leper 36 Cl. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, 0000037713 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. During the 1960s, 1970s, and even into the 1980s there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. 0000016679 00000 n 0000016002 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. . Many of the models imported are classified as curios and relics. 0000007642 00000 n The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . 148 75 0000007663 00000 n Liege. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Pietta 1858 Remington Buffalo Black Powder Revolver - .44 Caliber 12" Barrel Brass Frame w/ Blued Barrel - RGC44. This will be an on going 0000001485 00000 n 0000004954 00000 n It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. 0000117775 00000 n 0000078548 00000 n 0000059736 00000 n In stock. for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many Price: $525.00. Miscellaneous Italian Date Codes. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. 0000076880 00000 n There are the RRRs, the *PN and * Gardone proof marks and an AB date code. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. The barrel and cylinder are blued steel. Black Powder only Cal. Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). 0000078152 00000 n trailer endstream endobj 137 0 obj <> endobj 138 0 obj <>/Encoding<>>>>> endobj 139 0 obj <> endobj 140 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB]/ExtGState<>>> endobj 141 0 obj <> endobj 142 0 obj <> endobj 143 0 obj <> endobj 144 0 obj <> endobj 145 0 obj <> endobj 146 0 obj <> endobj 147 0 obj <> endobj 148 0 obj <>stream Good info. There is a complete lack of many records, but with the assistance of many replica collectors from around the world, and especially in France and Italy, we have been able to identify many of them. LSB#: 210317JM01. According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. Year of Manufacture: 1997 (BI Date Code) Caliber: .44 Cal. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. Beretta used no date code in 1944. The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). The lower right face of the octagonal barrel says, "A.S.M. this location now so you can return often. No specifications as to the bullet. 0000051585 00000 n will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber Seen Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof The wholesalers from Italy listed on our website are able to fulfill large bulk orders or hunting equipment on a short notice, making it easy to import and export ammunition and guns to and from virtually any country in the world. The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. Recently someone posted a site tahta gave the codes of manufacture of Italian made guns. It is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hall-marks, but the proof-marks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. 0000008871 00000 n Junior Member . Can be without . It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. 0000055241 00000 n Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 0000007839 00000 n SKU: FR186012. 0000005284 00000 n Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. 0000080540 00000 n I know that this info has been posted before, but I appreciate your posting it again. ,!x#B3`Ev If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>> 0000006511 00000 n The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. CF - 2010. The history of some of these makers and importers are no longer available due to lost records. From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). 0000086754 00000 n I cant seem to find the exact one any where. 0000004123 00000 n 0000010816 00000 n 0000046756 00000 n Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. 0000124308 00000 n 0000014256 00000 n Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. 0000087569 00000 n since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . to identify the manufacturer. 0000004972 00000 n xref %PDF-1.4 % 1989 = AU. But I am starting to believe this is true. The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. Powered by Invision Community. 1891 - present 16 SOLD FOR: $1175. The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. Price: $436.00. determination. 1810 -> Liege. black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. Hb``a``=P @1630i`@GDTVs(R {g i 23>`.0,p?PA! 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